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I grew up with stories of my mum's family along the way of researching them I have found that some are true others partly so and  a few that

are completely untrue. As in all family research the stories give you a basis to start with but are not the complete story by any means.

my sister Tracy wanted to know more about the older members of the family, she was born in 1964 so did not have the chance to know many of them.

I did some research and passed this onto Tracy along with the names and addresses of Helsden's in Essex where I knew a couple of my aunts and uncles lived.

Tracy sent letters to some of them and got back a reply from our Uncle Charlie and Aunt Margaret.

Charlie and Margaret had lost touch with the family after my Granddad William Charles Helsden's death in 1963

My uncle Bill had died but his wife Eve (Eve is also Margaret's sister.) still lives in Essex.

Through Tracy in February 2005 we met up with them at Tracy's house.

Charlie had sent us a couple of photos  that we did not have and we gave them some of our old photos. He corrected me on some of the dates and  some of the stories

and keeps in touch through email.

A few months ago  (2006) my cousin Kathy started going through her mum Joan's old photos and managed to get a lot of photos from my uncle Fred who lives next door to her.

Fred was married to Ivy  Louise Helsden and is my dad's  younger brother .My mum was Florence Ellen Helsden.

My cousin Dawn who is my mum's  youngest brother Dennis's daughter also had been asking for any old photos of her dad as none seemed to exist of him.

I had told her the stories of her dad who died in 1986.

Dennis was 12 twelve years older than me  and had lived with us at one time when I was about 12.He was like a big brother to me and he returned  the

 favour when Chris and i got married by letting us live in his house until we got our own flat 18 months later.

Kathy had found a photo of Dennis in his RAF uniform when he was doing national service in the 1950's.I restored this and sent it onto Dawn.

Dawn phoned me last saturday 12th august 06 and told me that a Kerri Cogley had been in touch with her through genes reunited and said she was Aunt Kate's granddaughter.

Dawn knew who Kate was but not much more phoned me and asked about Kate and her family.

I contacted Kerri  and over the last few days along with Dawn and Kathy  we have started to piece the separate bits of information together

Photos have been flying through the airwaves and stories told.

Whilst looking at the genes reunited site I saw a couple of entries for South African Helsden's.

One of the stories  I was told as a child was that my grandfathers father Adolphus Helsden had gone to South Africa after the death of his wife Jane.

He was supposed to have remarried and had another family.

I never found out how my granddad knew this and over the years I have tried to find them without success. So I sent a contact note through genes reunited and

told Kerri  and Dawn about it .they  did the same.

This morning  17th Aug 06 we got a reply from  Suzanne Humphries  her grandmother, Millicent Saunders, married Adolphus in South Africa.

We are hoping that she will share with us any information she has on Adolphus and his family there.

In the meantime I will  put as much information ,stories and photos that I have and will put up more as we get it.

A little bit now and more later when I have time.

3rd sept 06 Suzanne's sister Jenni has been in touch over the last few weeks as well and we have bee exchanging information and photos including photos of the three

daughters of Adolphus's second marriage to Millicent. Jenni has also sent a photo of Adolphus and  two of his daughters Thea and Marge,

 taken in 1938.you can see these and more on this page.

 

James Nelson got in touch and gave  us lots of information on the family, his grandfather was my gran's  younger brother.

 

Alan

 

1881 census

George Helsden head of family age 58  Born At sea

Esther Helsden wife age 57 born Devonport

Augustus Helsden son age 18 born in Deal Kent Labourer

Adolphus Helsden son age 10 born in Portsea Hampshire.

( Gt granddad)

All living at 74 Evelyn street Deptford.

 

George is William’s (granddad) grandfather his Father

was Adolphus.

Granddad always said his name was William Charles Rodney Adolphus Helsden.

 

This is where the story begins of Granddad and his sister

Flo being left by their father .

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 1891 living at 31 Evelyn st Deptford.

Esther Helsden widow age 67 Dressmaker born Devonport

Jane Helsden daughter in law born Old Kent road age 25

Adolphus married Jane Waller who was born in 1870  and she died in 1910 aged 40.

George Helsden was born at sea in 1824 approx and

 died in 1884 aged 60

 

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1901 census

Adolphus Helsden age 30 head of family address 55 Selcroft road Greenwich

Labourer. Born Portsea Hampshire.Jane Helsden age 32 wife birthplace Peckham district

Son William Charles Helsden age 8 born Deptford London

Parish church Christchurch

Flo born 1901 after the census

 

BMD indexes.

Births

William Charles Helsden born March quarter 1893 Greenwich  registration district.

Adolphus Rodney born Portsea June quarter 1871.

Julia Helsden born Dec quarter 1892

George Helsden March 1894 quarter

Richard George Helsden  sept quarter Greenwich district

 

Florence Jane Helsden June 1901 quarter Greenwich. Granddad’s sister

Daisy Agnes June quarter 1903 Greenwich district

 

Marriages Dec 1889 quarter Adolphus Rodney Helsden Greenwich registration district

 

Deaths sept quarter 1884 George Helsden age 60 Greenwich district

Esther Helsden Dec 1891 quarter Greenwich.

Julia Ann  Helsden age 27 Greenwich district  March quarter 1894

Julia Ann the wife of Augustus Helsden (gt Granddad’s brother)

 

George Helsden age 0 June quarter Greenwich district

Jane Helsden June quarter 1910 Greenwich. Adolphus's wife

 

 
Charlie and Margaret Helsden Feb 2005 John and Gill 1964John at school

George, Flo, Jenny and RobKate with one of her son's

Kate  Ronny and Alf

Kate (Helsden) RuddellJohn ,Nan Ruddell,Tommy and RonnyRonnny with Tommy (His best man)

Ronnie (Kate and Tommy's sonTommy Ruddell  (Kate's husband) holding Tommy or JohnnyTom Ruddell
Ivy and Flo (Helsden) GaggDavid Alan, Paul at back. Linda Kim and Steve at front.

Alan is Flo Helsden and George Gagg's son the others are Ivy Helsden and Fred Gagg's children

Robbie and Kathy

Robbie (Bob) is Flo and George's son Kathy is Joan Helsden and Sid Pointer's daughter

 

 

Ellen Catherine(Kate) Helsden, nanny Nelson and aunt Annie (Annie became

Bill Helsden's wife about a year after Kate died

 Sid Joan and aunt Annie

 

Flo, Ann and Ivy Helsden

Ivy Kim and Ann

Joan, Marilyn (Bill and Eve's daughter) Bill Helsden (Bill is Adolphus Helsden eldest

child his mother was Jane Waller)

Kate and Nan (Ellen Catherine)Helsden
Eve and Billy HelsdenJenny (Flo and George's daughter) Kim and Ivy

Alethea, Marguirette and Gabrielle. .Adolphus and Millicent' Helsden's children

Gabrielle (Adolphus's daughter) Sue Ross and Keith
Thea, Adolphus and Marge with 'aunty Mac 'Sue ,Gabrielle's daughter
 

 

Dennis Helsden in the RAF- Bill and Kathleen's sonCharlie Helsden -Bill and kathleen's son

 

Joan holding Kathy, 'Kate' (Nan) and Jane Helsden

Harriet Jane Nelson

 
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